Sunday, November 21, 2010

Josh and Yoe


21 November 2010

Dear Phyllis,

This past week has been interesting. Monday morning a friend called and dropped a bomb. He had a nuclear problem in his house and asked my advice.

Josh has a 21 year old son that is about half saved. The boy has made a profession of faith but shows little evidence of a serious commitment to follow Christ. Unfortunately, he has a weak drive- engine to do anything in life. He is seriously under-motivated and has never held down a responsible job. But recently he came up with one factor that has highly motivated him. He has a sweet little girl friend.

 Josh was pleased to see this development as she seemed like a very good influence on Yoe. They started taking Sui to church with them and about two months ago Sui went forward to accept Christ as her savior. More than that, since then, she has shown solid evidence that she is a girl with a real desire to seriously follow Christ. It looked like Sui was going to be a big plus to their family. Josh was pleased to have her spending a lot of time there, but drew the line that she was not to go in the boy’s bedroom.

About a week ago Josh got up one morning and notice two pairs of shoes outside the door of his son’s room. The door was locked but he was able to get in the room. Two naked youngsters were lying in bed.

Needless to say there was a problem. Josh sent out of his mind and threw both youngsters out of the house. Yoe was thrilled. When he got out of the house, he and his girl friend moved in with another Christian family who took them in. Now he was on a honeymoon where he could sleep with his girl friend every night, openly, with no restriction.

I advised Josh that I really didn’t think it was wise to reward fornication with such a blessing as to be able to do it freely. I suggested that serious discipline was imperative. His wife is very tender and soft on her son, and doesn’t want to see him hurt. Josh took the matter to the pastor, and made it a church problem. Indeed it is a church problem. By definition, this is a church problem when any church has members openly living in sin. Yoe was also a member of the worship team playing his guitar for Sunday morning worship.

The first recommendation was an immediate marriage. I was opposed to that for several reasons. One was Sui is only 15. But a more serious reason was that I felt it imperative that severe discipline must be implemented. If Yoe is ever going to be saved, he must learn one of the first lessons of life – that is; there are serious consequences for sin. Sin is not the doorway to blessing. Unless serious discipline – with real pain – is implemented, it is dishonoring to the Lord and disastrous for the offender.

Josh asked, “What can I do that would bring real pain?” I suggested, “The most painful thing that could happen to him would be to deprive him from seeing his girl friend?” Josh asked, “How can I do that?”

“Have her live with you. Put the boy out on his own”

That seemed like a huge plus-plus solution. The girl comes from a terrible broken home and has, virtually, no responsible parents. She was living with an aunt. She would love to live with the Josh family. She gets along very well with his wife, and Noe would be an excellent Christian mother for Sui. Josh is an American, but the family is Thai. If Sui lived with them, that would give her an excellent foundation as a Christian, and she could learn English free by just living in that home. She shows signs of being a very obedient young lady who would bloom in that environment.

Yoe needs to be on his own to prove himself as a responsible young man holding down a job, and submitting himself to church discipline. Josh suggested to the pastor that the young couple should be disciplined openly in the church. Yoe should be put off the worship team. They should be required to publicly confess their sin before the church and repent. Their sin is not only against God but also against the church. Then there should be a three month moratorium imposed where the young couple were forbidden to have any contact with each other. After that time, they could have limited social contact. But if they failed, and secretly met before the probation period was over, the probation would be extended.

At first, the pastor balked against openly confessing sin and thought three months was too severe. He would accept two months prohibition. But then the devil took over.

Yoe kicked the slat and threatened if he could not see his girl friend every night he would run with bad buddies and get into drugs. His mother caved. She would rather see her boy sleeping with his girl friend every night than out on the street. If marriage would fix that, then immediate marriage was the only solution. Apparently the pastor caved also. Josh and I had many lengthy talks last week. He is a real man of God, but resignedly said, “You are right, but this is Thailand. The Thais don’t know what church discipline is, and this is the way they do it in this country.” My response was, “Yes, I know. And this is the reason why the church is a mess, Christ is dishonored, and extremely few people are being saved here.”

 I like the pastor very much. He is a very sincere man, and I believe he has a real desire to do the right thing and honor the Lord. But the culture seems to be the overwhelming factor. The Lord has brought him face to face with a black and white issue. How he handles this will determine, to a great degree, what will be the future of his church and ministry. If he passes the test, there will be great blessing. If he fails the test, he will go the way of thousands of other spineless pastors who run a religious club where the devil is in charge.

Effectively, what has happened is that the devil has taken over. Rather than the pastor steering the ship, the devil has taken the wheel and presented two options. In order to save the boy, he must be exempt from discipline, and sin must be rewarded. If discipline is implemented, the boy will follow the devil and go out on the street. This seems to be the way the scenario is going. The pastor must accept one of the devils options.

But to accept either of the devils options would be disastrous. Leaving apart the damage this will be to the entire church – where the door is swung open for unrestrained sin – the option for no discipline, and an immediate marriage, would be unbelievably disastrous for both the boy and the girl. He has declared that he will not accept church discipline. To back off, would be to encourage him to live a life of defiance to Christ. He can call the shots and the pastor will back down. Marriage with, free sex every night, might keep him off the street for six months, but when that gets old there is nothing in his character to hold him on course for life. By being exempt from discipline he is being deprived from the most important lesson he needs in life.

Beyond the terrible consequence this will bring on the church and the boy, I feel it is a tragedy for the little girl. At the most critical period of her life, she has a tremendous opportunity to live with a Christian family. She could continue her education, experience the love of Christ in a family, and learn English – which would give her huge advantage in life. Instead of that, she will find herself married at 15 to a young man who refuses discipline, and is highly irresponsible. What are the odds for a happy marriage? Fat chance!

If the pastor would take a stand, and challenge the devil’s threat of the boy going out on the street, he really wouldn’t be loosing a thing. The boy out on the street doing drugs may be closer to salvation than playing guitar on the worship team in a church where the love of Christ is presented with the wonderful license to live a life of unrestrained sin. Excusing sin certainly won’t bring salvation. During one of their times of discussion, the pastor confessed to Noe that he already has four couples in the church who are living in fornication. He thought it might be a move in the right direction if at least one couple actually got married.

As I read the Bible, Jesus never preached a message on the love of God as presented in churches today. The first message Jesus ever preached was REPENT! (Mk. 1:15). He told the wonderful story of the Prodigal Son. But the boy only got restored to the father after “he came to himself” and went home (Lk. 15:11-25). Even John 3:16 is followed by the melancholic warning that men prefer darkness to light, and the certainty of condemnation of those who do not respond appropriately to the Gospel (Jn. 3:18-21).

 If the Bible is correct in what it says – “Be not deceived, neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers…shall inherit the Kingdom of God.” (1 Cor. 6:9,10); what – pray tell – does that say about thousands of folks who do these things in the church today? I feel salvation with sin is a very questionable salvation indeed. I really wouldn’t care for that kind of salvation.

 Church discipline is an enormous problem today. It is exactly the same scenario that anyone has in a home where children are deprived of discipline. We have proven with a generation of a wild, animalistic, nation what happens when this basic element of life is deleted. And, tragically, thousands of impotent churches are in the same state of disarray.

May God help us to all tighten down in our own individual lives,  bill

                        

                                                                                               bill

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