25 September 2016
Dear Phyllis,
The other day we went to some special meetings where the guest speaker was from Australia. He was quite good in the morning but missed the ball by a mile in the afternoon. His theme was eschatology. Some of it was fair, but with some I could not have disagreed with him more. For 50 years my eschatological views have been highly traditional Hal Lindsey/Tim Lahaye. But in recent years I have made some major changes. The biggest is Revelation. There are two interpretations of Revelation – the linear position and the non-linear view. To me, today, the liner view of a straight line is impossible. I say that on two facts. The first is the 6th Seal as we see it in Rev. 6:12-17. Here we see events that are coming to this earth that are more than catastrophic. There are two significant things happening here that basically are one. The main event is a “great earthquake” (6:12). This earthquake is so severe that “every mountain and island are moved out of their places” (ver. 14). I find it more than significant that this is exactly what we read about the 7th Vial (Rev. 16:17-21). Here we read of a “great earthquake” (16:18). This one is described as being “such as was not found since men were upon the earth”. It says that “the cities of the nations fell” and “every island fled away and the mountains were not found” (ver. 20). Both passages mention a “great earthquake” and in both verses it says that the islands and mountains are wiped out. That means that the Philippines and Japan are gone and the Himalayas are flattened. If these two events are not the same thing I don't know what is. The passage in chapter 6 of the 6th Seal is described in greater detail. It tells us that the sun will be black, the moon will be blood, and stars will fall upon the earth like figs coming off a tree when shaken by a mighty wind (vers. 12, 13). More than that, the heavens will depart like a scroll being rolled up (ver. 14). This phenomenon about the sun, moon, and stars is not restricted to Revelation but the same thing is mentioned in several other passages in the Bible talking about the end of the age. This is not chapter 16 but chapter 6 and the 6thSeal. I have no trouble believing that this will happen just as the scripture tell us in numerous places, but I can't imagine that the events that are discussed after the 6th Seal are liner. I see no other possibility than the 6th Seal and the 7th Vial are the same event. I can't imagine another seven years going on after the islands and mountains disappear, and the stars fall like rain. This has got to be the final catastrophic event to happen to this planet. I see the 7th Seal as an explanation of what happens to bring us to the final end. I cannot see how the events in Revelation can be liner but they come in a configuration with which we are not familiar at present on this earth.
There is a significant parallel with the Seven Trumpets and the Seven Vials. The Seven Trumpets are (Rev. 8,9); 1, vegetation burned up (ver. 7), 2. a meteor falling in sea (Ver. 8), 3. the rivers become wormwood (ver. 10, 11), 4. the sun, moon, stars darkened (ver. 12), 5. the pit opened (9:1-11), and 6. the Euphrates(ver. 13-21).
The Seven Vials are (Rev. 16:1-21); 1. sores on the men with the mark (ver. 2), 2. the sea becomes blood (ver. 3), the rivers become blood (ver. 4), the sun scorches men (ver. 8), 5. darkness in the kingdom (ver. 10), 6. the Euphrates dried up (ver. 12), and the 7th and final Vial is the same as the 6th seal in chapter (6:12-17).
In the Seven Trumpets and the Seven Vials we see that - 2 (sea), 3 (rivers), 4 (sun), 5 (the pit, kingdom), 6 (Euphrates) are all the same. There is a slight difference in what happens each time, and so it is not true to say they are exactly the same but they seem to be an overlay with a modification each time. This does not look liner to me.
To summarize my first point, I do not see anyway the sequence of events in Revelation as being in a straight line. And I strongly see the 6th Seal and the 7th Vial as being the same event and the Seven Trumpets and Seven Vials as an explanation of how they got there. What we see in the Trumpets and Vials are all part of the Seven Years of Tribulation And the 6th Seal and 7th Vial are Armageddon.
The second major shift I have made in recent years is that I believe Ezekiel 38 & 39 are Armageddon at the end of the Seven Years of Tribulation. One of the main argument that has brought me to this position is a point I have never heard developed. In both Ezek. 39 and Rev. 19 we see what is called God's sacrifice (Ez. 39:17,19) or supper (Rev. 19:17) to the fouls of the air and beasts of the field. In both passages we see God calling to the fouls (vultures) to come and eat. This is the same discussion that went on between David and Goliath. Goliath said to David, “I will give thy flesh to the fouls of the air...” (1Sam. 17:44), and David replied, “I will give the carcasses of the host of the Philistines to the fouls of the air...” (1Sam. 17:46). This is a biblical term for the most derogatory end of an enemy. This was the end of Jeroboam (1Kn. 14:11) and Jezebel (1Kn. 21:23; 2Kn. 9:10, 35-37). This is the lowest thing that can happen to an enemy, and this is what God will do with the combatants at Armageddon. Rev. 19 is indisputably Armageddon, and, as the passage in Ez. 39:17,19 is exactly the same as Rev. 19:17, it seems to me extremely difficult to make this two separate events. To further bolster that argument in Ez. 38:19,20 we read that “There will be a great shaking in the land of Israel...and the mountains shall be thrown down”. This sound very much like Armageddon as described by Rev. 6:12-17 and 16:17-21.
There are many scholars who put Ezek. 38 & 39 at the beginning of the Seven Years of Tribulation but it certainly looks like Armageddon to me.
The third major shift I have had in my eschatology is that I believe Joel Richardson is correct in asserting thatMagog, Meshech, and Tubal are not Russia but Turkey. Nearly every reliable conservative Bible Atlas has these lands located in northern Turkey – not Russia. And it appears that Gog, who is the “chief prince” of these lands, is the Anti-christ (Ez. 38:2,3). This would be a very hard argument that the Anti-christ will be the Islamic leader.
Up until recently this position would be highly unlikely as Turkey has been the strongest western allay being a member of NATO. But all reports are that the present president (dictator) of Turkey, Erdogan, is the Turkish version of Ayatollah Khomeini. Many observer believe that what Khomeini did in converting the #1 pro-American, western, Islamic country (Iran) into the #1 enemy of America; very soon we will see a similar shift in Turkey. Some observers speculate that the recent failed military coup in Turkey was actually staged my Edogan to enable him to crack down and eliminate all western influence in his military and government to replaced them with hard line, Sharia, Islamist. At this point every thing in recent events has all gone in that direction.
It is superfuless to mention that the Middle East is on fire. There are several more major shifts in power that must happen, but the stage appears to be set like we have never seen it before, to go directly into the events of the last days. What will happen to America is open to speculation, but it seems extremely difficult to believe that she can avoid the severe judgment of God.
I saw an excellent You Tube message by Avi Lipton the other night. He was predicting huge major events in the next 10 months. The only problem was that message was in 2004. Jonathon Cahn was off in his prediction of the Shemitah this year. John Hagee was wrong about the Four Blood Moons. Nearly every end time prophet has been wrong about his predictions. But one thing is certain- now is our salvation nearer than when we believed (Rom. 13:11). Several traditional eschatological positions seem to be going by the wayside. I have changed my position much, but I am increasing convinced that the errors are getting cleaned up, and we are getting a clearer look at the world the Bible described to us 2000 years ago. No doubt things are going to get considerably worse. My goodness what will it be like when the Trumpets and Vials are poured out? What will it be like when the Man of sin is in power (2Thes. 2:3,4)? The world is in for a mighty shaking, but – Praise God – we know what the last chapter will be. Israel will be saved and Jesus will be seated on His Throne on this planet receiving the glory, honor, power, (and all the rest of it) that He so richly deserves (Rev. 20:4-6; Dan. 2:34,35,44,45). These are the days the prophets wrote of, and it is our great privilege to raise the flag for Jesus at this terminal moment in history. This is no time to look for a safe haven. This is the most momentous time in history to take a strong stand for Jesus and defy the devil in his schemes. Let's ask God for some more oil and let our lamps shine the brighter. We are doing what we can here in SEA.
Gambatte (give it your best shot), bill